tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post115020078305067131..comments2024-03-07T15:32:53.014+02:00Comments on Yehuda: More on Video Games vs ChessYehuda Berlingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-1150349938689229602006-06-15T08:38:00.000+03:002006-06-15T08:38:00.000+03:00Anon - you are right, technically.When someone say...Anon - you are right, technically.<BR/><BR/>When someone says that playing computer games is on the same level as playing chess, they are probably referring to single player computer games, such as Civilization, Sims, and so on.<BR/><BR/>These games, while great and fun and all that, should more appropriately be compared to Sudoku, not Chess.<BR/><BR/>The apt Chess comparison is to two-player or multi-player games. I have another article to write. :-)<BR/><BR/>YehudaYehuda Berlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-1150329570560985052006-06-15T02:59:00.000+03:002006-06-15T02:59:00.000+03:00You should generally compare chess with multiplaye...You should generally compare chess with multiplayer games, not single-player ones. Much of the depth in chess was discovered by humans who could invent strategies, apply them repeatedly, and teach them to other humans. Artificial intelligence is not yet good at this, and single-player computer games do not attempt it.<BR/><BR/>For many multiplayer computer games of any age, you can find a community of players still playing it daily. This community is going to be small relative to the number of people who have ever played the game, but the same is true for chess. If the community is large enough, a part of it will be interested in deeper study of the game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-1150274766246710032006-06-14T11:46:00.000+03:002006-06-14T11:46:00.000+03:00Thank you Jack. My point exactly.Any contrary opin...Thank you Jack. My point exactly.<BR/><BR/>Any contrary opinions?<BR/><BR/>YehudaYehuda Berlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-1150274472764284102006-06-14T11:41:00.000+03:002006-06-14T11:41:00.000+03:00An awful lot of video games (especially the advent...An awful lot of video games (especially the adventure style ones) can be completed in a matter of hours. And you're right - there's very little strategy involved in these types of games it's mostly reflexes. Real-time strategy games include a bit more strategy, however there is usually a winning strategy that once you've learn it's just a case of micro-management of production & building. I'm bored of computer games though (I played them a lot over the last 15-20 years), so mine is a jaded view.Jackson Popehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12685562784078130612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-1150231907648504132006-06-13T23:51:00.000+03:002006-06-13T23:51:00.000+03:00Your comment clarifies yet another problem with th...Your comment clarifies yet another problem with the comparison of computer games vs chess:<BR/><BR/>The game of Nethack, and likely many other computer games, can be broken into levels and solved piece by piece. Once you have done levels 1-10 in Nethack, there is nothing left to learn, and nothing left to play. You haven't even "solved" anything. You have merely uncovered the hidden, like learning the answer to a riddle.<BR/><BR/>That is not ... I tentatively assert ... the same as learning strategy. That is merely learning a-b-a-c-a-b-a-c-d-a-c-d. OK, now we've solved level 1, on to level 2. Big deal.<BR/><BR/>YehudaYehuda Berlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-1150226826004425012006-06-13T22:27:00.000+03:002006-06-13T22:27:00.000+03:00It took me about ten years from the first time I t...It took me about ten years from the first time I tried it to finish Nethack. It's deep, but not in strategy, really. It just has an incredible amount of stuff in it. That makes it hard to master. Six months of daily play should be enough to finish it few times, but you'll still encounter something new.<BR/><BR/>But that's an exception, a really rare exception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com