tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post5648300716488342641..comments2024-03-07T15:32:53.014+02:00Comments on Yehuda: The Failed 2008 Jewish Bloggers ConferenceYehuda Berlingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-68969150945333461052008-08-24T17:47:00.000+03:002008-08-24T17:47:00.000+03:00Good summary.I was also thinking of Hadassah's ide...Good summary.<BR/>I was also thinking of Hadassah's idea of choice of sessions. It didn't seem that the organizers were prepared for the great variety of bloggers.<BR/><BR/>In some ways it was good and some ways not, but "failed," I don't know.<BR/><BR/>I think the <A HREF="http://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/2008/08/rebranding-changing-israels-image.html" REL="nofollow">"Rebranding"</A> session was very poorly done.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-60210028901182794322008-08-23T23:57:00.000+03:002008-08-23T23:57:00.000+03:00B"HI'm glad you pointed out that not everyone agre...B"H<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you pointed out that not everyone agrees on the role of blogger as PR point men for Israel.<BR/><BR/>Moshe's outburst egregious?<BR/><BR/>It sounds like it was only exciting part of the conference, certainly the most truthful.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-2344180548010753282008-08-22T08:50:00.000+03:002008-08-22T08:50:00.000+03:00Well, you are right about the fact that most of th...Well, you are right about the fact that most of the subjects that were supposed to be discussed faded in the political atmosphere. But this is a Nefesh B' Nefesh convention! Look, I also came for the tips and extra knowledge; but seeing everyone, mingle, chat was quite satisfying (and came all the from Zichron-Yaakov...). I took something from the sub content of the speakers. I tell you what though, someone had to say it out load. I am happy you raised this subject.<BR/><BR/>www.tchochkes.com<BR/>www.tchochkes.co.ilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-62847654065348912352008-08-22T00:53:00.000+03:002008-08-22T00:53:00.000+03:00ymedad: Of all the panelists, you seemed the most ...ymedad: Of all the panelists, you seemed the most prepared. Your three M's were on target, although could have used concrete examples, in my opinion. Of course, you weren't given much time to speak.<BR/><BR/>YehudaYehuda Berlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-61945197301986670172008-08-22T00:47:00.000+03:002008-08-22T00:47:00.000+03:00Here I am thinking to myself that I am fairly tall...Here I am thinking to myself that I am fairly tall, my voice is loud and I was on a panel and yet, not only do I not get mentioned, but since I specifically addressed the topics this blogger mentioned in my words, I am amazed. I don't mind being disputed or even disliked, but made to disappear?<BR/><BR/>Well, my post with suggestions for future improvement is <A HREF="http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2008/08/jewish-bloggers-conference-medads-three.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> and the are more pics <A HREF="http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2008/08/jbloggers-conference-pics.html" REL="nofollow">here</A><BR/><BR/>Since I got here, it means I trolled around, something anybody can do. And as for your definition of the goals of the Conference, methinks there were others.<BR/><BR/>The "one lucky winner" of the waffle maker.YMedadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14333122797414935958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-35518973846035935482008-08-21T19:24:00.000+03:002008-08-21T19:24:00.000+03:00Failure is a strong term. I suppose that if you fo...Failure is a strong term. I suppose that if you focus solely upon using the conference as a way to grow your blog it might fall short a bit.Jack Steinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16625864271071630940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-47684548737472177702008-08-21T18:33:00.000+03:002008-08-21T18:33:00.000+03:00Yehuda - you make some good points, and I said som...Yehuda - you make some good points, and I said some similar to others. I came out of it with little but a good time. I thought there was supposed to be a focus on taking blogging to the next level and increasing readership, but the big bloggers on the panels had little to say on the subject, and what they did say was nothing nobody else already knew (except Carl's answer to RivkA about cancer lists). <BR/>That was a shame.<BR/><BR/>You are right that NBN should have focused more around one theme/ideal and stuck to it and mode that the theme of the night, rather than it being so vague.<BR/><BR/>But I had a good time and enjoyed meeting a lot of people and seeng many I already knew...Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-68003751058906132942008-08-21T18:30:00.000+03:002008-08-21T18:30:00.000+03:00I see.I'm very into unity of the Jewish people in ...I see.<BR/><BR/>I'm very into unity of the Jewish people in general, regardless of our different opinions or lifestyles. I don't think the two are a contradiction. One of the things that disturbs me the most personally is sinas chinam- and I'm not saying that as a cliche- it is horrifying to me.Mindy Schaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10561579952913345322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-59555546212579266772008-08-21T18:24:00.000+03:002008-08-21T18:24:00.000+03:00Also, about the unity of the bloggers- call me ide...<I>Also, about the unity of the bloggers- call me idealistic, but don't you think that should be something we want?</I><BR/><BR/>Not really. Unity in defending each other and in respect, but not unity in purpose or agenda.Yehuda Berlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-46756783421242320552008-08-21T18:23:00.000+03:002008-08-21T18:23:00.000+03:00All I could think about was that squeaking door in...All I could think about was that squeaking door in the back of the room. It was so distracting...<BR/><BR/><BR/>- KarinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-42046877641017438732008-08-21T18:20:00.000+03:002008-08-21T18:20:00.000+03:00I understand why you are saying what you are, but ...I understand why you are saying what you are, but I agree with the other bloggers that the event was pleasant. I don't think your claims are neccesarily unture, I just think that for a first time job, it was ok, and anyway, the best part was just meeting with the other bloggers and getting to know them, I wouldn't have such high expectations.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Also, about the unity of the bloggers- call me idealistic, but don't you think that should be something we want?Mindy Schaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10561579952913345322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-80013656833662865342008-08-21T18:04:00.000+03:002008-08-21T18:04:00.000+03:00It was a good beginning. The pluses most certainly...It was a good beginning. The pluses most certainly outnumber the minuses. Sure there were problems, but overall I am glad NBN sponsored the event and hope they consider it successful. <BR/><BR/>This event was actually a positive example of if you build it, we will come.<BR/><BR/>For more, http://ejewishphilanthropy.com/how-do-you-measure-success/Jewish Philanthropy News and Viewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07838452672487750261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-25351949971169510522008-08-21T17:20:00.000+03:002008-08-21T17:20:00.000+03:00Sorry, I don't see it as a failure, at least it wa...Sorry, I don't see it as a failure, at least it wasn't for me. <BR/>Firstly, as Safranit said, I didn't know there was a goal to fail at.<BR/>Secondly, since I don't "Jewish" or "Israel" blog, it was an eye-opener for me to see and meet so many people who are blogging for Israel. I will admit that I was impressed, and have come home with a list of about 50 or more blogs that I want to check out over the next few weeks.<BR/>And lastly, since I came on Aliyah 30 years ago, I've hardly heard of Nefesh B'Nefesh - now at least I know who they are and what they do.<BR/>For anyone interested in reading a detailed report, come visit my post at http://tinyurl.com/68okn5Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-87785355576874226812008-08-21T15:56:00.000+03:002008-08-21T15:56:00.000+03:00a lot of the things you mention in your analysis m...a lot of the things you mention in your analysis may be true; but a failure? hardly. with so many of us happily gathered for free food and networking, hearing our colleagues (for the first time!) speaking about what they love, even if they didn't follow the program to a T, and i heard that 1200 were online watching the proceedings (whether they were all bloggers, or just curious, who cares?) <BR/><BR/>We came, we saw, we had a good time, some of us learned a thing or two; i don't know about anyone else, but i am really glad i went. to me that makes the event a success. maybe that's simplistic, but hey, it works.<BR/><BR/>i wrote a bit about it as well (and borrowed some photos - hope that's okay!) my blog at <A HREF="http://aliyahbook.com/blog/?p=62" REL="nofollow"> Movin' On Up </A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-92050548574000503122008-08-21T14:54:00.000+03:002008-08-21T14:54:00.000+03:00I enjoyed the conference - mostly for the networki...I enjoyed the conference - mostly for the networking opportunities and to see "who is out there." I will go back if they have another one, but would definitely appreciate more complex discussions. Possibly even a choice of sessions. Next time NBN will know to plan for a big crowd!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06667746349091072836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-82550576206118022132008-08-21T14:31:00.000+03:002008-08-21T14:31:00.000+03:00Lena: Assuming the risks are not overly great, it ...Lena: Assuming the risks are not overly great, it is far better to try and fail then not to try at all.<BR/><BR/>Though the primary goal failed, the minor successes of fostering blogger relationships worked. Sound and visuals mostly worked. The food was good. And NbN can learn from the mistakes of this event and produce a successful event next year.<BR/><BR/>YehudaYehuda Berlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-5819166859239887392008-08-21T14:12:00.000+03:002008-08-21T14:12:00.000+03:00I was glad of the chance to mingle and catch up wi...I was glad of the chance to mingle and catch up with friends. This was, after all, the first conference of its kind (as far as I know), so now the planners have a basis that they can learn from.Rahel Jaskowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05626844724417933492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-33971215781825868102008-08-21T12:36:00.000+03:002008-08-21T12:36:00.000+03:00Considering that this was the first time such a co...Considering that this was the first time such a convention was held, there were bound to be problems with ideology and formatting. I guess this just gives us fuel for how to structure any such future conventions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-16432841644003977022008-08-21T11:27:00.000+03:002008-08-21T11:27:00.000+03:00I think you're right on about the conference - I t...I think you're right on about the conference - I think there were good intentions but I think there should've been 2 conferences - one about blogging for hasbara and one about promoting blogs, because the way it was seemed fuzzy and out of focus with too many goals. I've been sending your post to people who asked what I thought about the conf. - you just summed it up so well - sorry I didn't get to talk to you, but on an unrelated note I keep meaning to write about your tips in the kitchen from a long long time ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-92066772196237689322008-08-21T11:24:00.000+03:002008-08-21T11:24:00.000+03:00Really insightful post, and spot-on. I wrote about...Really insightful post, and spot-on. I wrote about the event as soon as I got home, but I probably should have waited until I calmed down. I just felt so EXHAUSTED from the whole thing, and I don't just mean physically. Here's the URL:<BR/><BR/>http://bit.ly/2jobeB<BR/><BR/>It was nice meeting you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-67202795781910911482008-08-21T09:21:00.000+03:002008-08-21T09:21:00.000+03:00That's just it. Nefesh B'Nefesh had a goal for the...That's just it. Nefesh B'Nefesh had a goal for the evening, which was utilizing bloggers for Israel hasbara. That failed. On the other hand, they collected lots of attention and lots of good will, which may turn out to be a long term success.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, the bloggers came just to mingle, and that was a success. On the other hand, they may have expected something interesting out of the presentations, but there wasn't anything.Yehuda Berlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9319479.post-38364058361647589282008-08-21T08:27:00.000+03:002008-08-21T08:27:00.000+03:00I was wondering who would be the first blogger wit...I was wondering who would be the first blogger with analysis....<BR/><BR/>I debated going because of the Nefesh B'Nefesh connection. I'm glad I went because I got to meet a few bloggers (including you) and because it reminded me why we blog...<BR/><BR/>I don't see it as a failure, because I never really saw a goal...if you can tell me that there was a stated goal that they failed at, then I will agree with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com